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Caught Webfairy Pushing Misinfo
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I'm being nice by calling it misinfo. Very Happy


Webfairy(Rosalee Grable):

Quote:
911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm

This is a reaction shot of the moment of the first hit.

Notice the construction canopy and the police tape across the street. Notice the trash can in the middle of the street.
Shortly this will become the scene of "plane debris" already waiting.(image below)



Then I wrote:


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Now, this I find interesting. Now you are getting my attention.

But what if this debris was planted only to serve as psy-ops? Merely adding to the drama shown on TV. Maybe the debris was planted to later be examined by experts to conclude that it came from "Flight 175" through serial number identification. I have long suspected that the Naudet Brothers were intelligence of some sort. Just the mere fact that French Documentary filmakers would be making a doc on FDNY is odd in itself.

The intersections are different though.

Church & Murray=Debris

Church & Lispenard=Naudet Brothers

Might have to look into that though. But I must admit, at first glance, the scene looks the same...





Lispenard St. is about 11 blocks NE from Murray St, traveling up Church.

Murray is only a few blocks from the WTC.

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?addr=Church+at+Lispenard&csz=New+York%2C+New+York&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=

Can you conclusively prove that is the same intersection, Webfairy?




Then I discovered...


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I think we have to stamp "DEBUNKED" on this one, Rosalee.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1951610169657809939&q=9%2F11+revisited&pl=true

Cue it up to 2:15, at about 2:20 the cameraman pans to the reporter's face. At that exact moment look in the background, past, up and above the news van. You will notice there is no big green overhang like you see in the Naudet footage. There appears to be white and yellow signs placed on the front where the overhang would be.

Two different intersections.




Her replies:


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I firmly disagree.
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When I look at that clip,
video.google.com/videopla...ed&pl=true

the first thing I see is the same reporter who had foreknowledge that Building 7 was going to fall.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/video/canale/18_1-7.will.collapse.mpg

Watch this same reporter blow off a guy saying it was bombs, not a plane:
http://thewebfairy.com/911/bombs

The clip passes too quickly to establish location as somewhere different.
I have met the author of 911revisited, and I will ask for his source file for that clip so I can slow it down.
Having a reporter on the scene who knows more than a non-perp should also points to staged debris.




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I firmly need to do more research.
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My answer somehow got separated from it's question, but fit in where it landed anyway.
Heh.

I do NOT concede the pre-planted "plane debris" shown in the BraveNewWorld clip at 911foreknowledge.com
911foreknowledge.com

I admit to being short on proof and long on hunch.

Pretty soon the Naudets know right where the "debris" will be, prescripted where their plotline walk takes them past it.

Give me a better reason for a trashcan in the middle of the street. A little fluffing while people are looking up, and the mystery debris is ready for it's beautyshot.

Cartoons don't shed debris.

The Naudet DVD has Naudets traipsing up and down that street, not just at the odor of gas intersection.

Shortly Ray Ubinger will join us, and maybe I can get some closeups of the mystery debris across the street that looks just like the debris the Naudets come upon later.

I wrote to Ray, and he answered thusly:


I don't think we can quite go that far. I do think we can say, the
yellow caution tape AROUND the alleged "wheel" part(s) at Church-
Murray (specifically in front of Emigrants (Immigrants?) Bank as Nico
calls it, facing east on the southwest Church-Murray corner) was already
up during the 1st Hit.

Much less clear to me is whether there's any yellow caution tape up on
the northwest corner of Church-Murray, more in the background, where
the "engine" part was "found."

In either case I can't spot either/any piece of alleged plane debris
itself, in the BNW clip. Perhaps your excellent slideshow and
magnification skills can bring out more. I'd start by looking for
yellow caution tape farther in the background, on the northeast corner of
the Church-Murray intersection, where the "engine" part was "found."

I suspect the "debris" pieces themselves (as opposed to the yellow
caution tape) were still in hiding during the 1st Hit.

On the other hand there is the mysterious RUBBLE which is definitely
present on Church in front of that bank, in the BNW clip.

One or two very brief snippets from other sources, though possibly also
at least once in the Naudet movie, show that Church (one-way north in
the block in question) was blocked by utility type vehicles (flashing
yellow lights, possibly construction) just south of where Gedeon was
filming BNW. In other words almost exactly at the Park Place intersection
of Church; the intersection just south of Church-Murray. This blocking of
the street was why there are pedestrians out in the middle of Church in
the BNW clip.


On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Rosalee Grable wrote:

> > I've posted that I think that very same corner across the street in the
> > BraveNewWorld clip appears to have the "plane debris" already waiting.
> > You have anything that can back me up?

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Was anyone injured as a massive fireball engine came shooting out of the sky bouncing and skidding on the road?

u would think someone got hurt from the engine.

about the naudet film they dont tell you is that JAMES HANLON was the 3rd camera man, he provided us with the cheney hit video.

in one of the reflections in the naudet movie you can see the camera men each have a crew of atleast 1 with them. this is also untold.

Where was james hanlon on 911? he was co director and the person responsible for putting this so called documentary together.

Wheres hanlon now? or jules and gideon?


theres another 1st hit video but it was not required for the naudet brothers clip was sufficent, u can also here him praise "YES!" seconds after impact. he was relieved that he caught it


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Check this out! Talk about misinfo!
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Robert Rice wrote:
Well Mr. No Plane, if it wasn't a "real plane" <eyeroll> then just what was "it" and how do you and your little gang of no plane people explain the impact gashes in the buildings, or were those just more photo and video "fakery"..?

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Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com> wrote:
I have high quality 60th of a second imcrements of the entire first hit process.
http://missilegate.com

Beneath the special effects, I believe the second hit was accomplished exactly the same as the first.
From the first hit, we have pictures from the front and from the side, so there is dramatifc proof what the explosive clouds looked like before they exploded.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/presentation
The peculiar stalked shape ought to match some sort of ordinance being used to blow people up daily.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/thermite

http://missilegate.com
shows the plane-free progression of events which culminated in a big explosion that first exploded on the opposite side of the building just like the second hit did. http://thewebfairy.com/911/halloween/halloween.htm near the bottom of the page.
The early explosion on the opposite side also shows for a couple frames of the Pavel footage.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/pavel

The planeless perps turn out to be little drones, and I mean little, not much bigger than the size of a car, most of them.
But they flew in in a very tight formation to look as much like a single object as they could.

http://thewebfairy.com/911/uav
They split up when they reach the top of the building, and some go over the top while some go down the front of the building.
http://missilegate.com

They are about to lay chemical clouds called A-Neutronic bombs according to
http://thewebfairy.com/911/haarp/beamweapon.htm
complete with the electrostatic flash

There is one component that is triangular and white or reflective that is seen off in a corner of both hits. I believe this is the "mothership" communicating with the controllers who would see the whole thing like a video game and direct the action, including the placement of the plane shape holes.

The planeshape holes are remarkably alike.
http://www.gallerize.com/9-11_Hole_Science-Dateien/image016.jpg north tower
http://www.gallerize.com/9-11_Hole_Science-Dateien/image018.jpg south tower


In the first hit, the flock of drones is visable, with enough substance to qualify as a "something" rather than a nothing.
http://thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate

So she's saying that the objects (the "GCI'd cartoons") are really a tiny group, flock, or squadron of car sized plane hole making drones, controlled from a mothership like it was a "video game" or (my words) like a scene from "Enders Game" or something, if anyone is familiar with that fantastic can't put down psi-fi book.
So she's saying that were a whole flock/squadron of tiny drones attempting to appear as though they are a single object, which was also aided, I guess..Confused by "CGI" &/or "Bluescreen"!? Laughing

Please post this over there at the S9/11T forum for me Merc. Thanks.
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Thats nearnly as bad as a theory i heared the other day which said that 19 muslim hijackers with box cutters did it...
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Johnson Enterprise wrote:
Was anyone injured as a massive fireball engine came shooting out of the sky bouncing and skidding on the road?

u would think someone got hurt from the engine.

about the naudet film they dont tell you is that JAMES HANLON was the 3rd camera man, he provided us with the cheney hit video.

in one of the reflections in the naudet movie you can see the camera men each have a crew of atleast 1 with them. this is also untold.

Where was james hanlon on 911? he was co director and the person responsible for putting this so called documentary together.

Wheres hanlon now? or jules and gideon?


theres another 1st hit video but it was not required for the naudet brothers clip was sufficent, u can also here him praise "YES!" seconds after impact. he was relieved that he caught it
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What is wrong with the engine lying on the sidewalk at Church and Murray streets? That chunk of metal we can safely assume would be about 2000 pounds. Now propel a 2000 # hunk of steel down 800 feet. It would not fall onto the sidewalk, it would shatter the concrete and auger into the ground.
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ricochet wrote:
What is wrong with the engine lying on the sidewalk at Church and Murray streets? That chunk of metal we can safely assume would be about 2000 pounds. Now propel a 2000 # hunk of steel down 800 feet. It would not fall onto the sidewalk, it would shatter the concrete and auger into the ground.


Good one ricochet, an excellent "outside the box" observation. This is the kind of stuff we are good at here at LetsRoll911. Keep looking, we'll get the truth without the BS W/Fairy tales.

As Headhunter often said about Occams razor.

The truth is there and we need to focus on looking at the simple plain facts.

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Ricochet's observation applies to much of the physical evidence I've seen in pictures.
Looks like it was carefully placed. (all that I've seen)

Just like the path of the "plane" that supposedly hit the pentagon.

Thanks for pointing that out,Ricochet. Very Happy
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Re: Caught Webfairy Pushing Misinfo
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>> http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
>> This is a reaction shot of the moment of the first hit.
>> Notice the construction canopy and the police tape across the street. >> Notice the trash can in the middle of the street.
>> Shortly this will become the scene of "plane debris" already waiting.

Merc writes:

> But what if this debris was planted only to serve as psy-ops? Merely adding to the drama shown on TV.

Good healthy skeptical question. Fortunately for investigators, several details in the video evidence are strong enough to rule out that possibility.

For instance, the same trash can in the middle of the street, with the same yellow tape on it, surrounded by the same rubble, is matchable between the Reaction Shot
http://911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
and LATER footage ALSO shot by Gedeon Naudet, at the same location.

Marcus Icke made this nice screenshot comparison:
http://tinyurl.com/dvxft

For further corroboration that this is Church & Murray, here is the same location photographed in 2005, by Nico Haupt:
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/4032/murray040425tl.jpg

The location is
east gutter of Church Street
between Park Place and Murray Street
looking north and west
toward the west half of the Church-Murray intersection.


> Church & Murray=Debris

Yes, but Church & Murray ALSO = Gedeon Naudet.


> Church & Lispenard=Naudet Brothers

No, not BrotherS, plural. Church & Lispenard only = JULES Naudet. The movie itself tells us Gedeon was not with Jules on the Alleged Odor of Alleged Gas call.


For fuller discussion (of GEDEON Naudet's Pedestrian Reaction Shot, at Church & MURRAY, at the INSTANT of the FIRST Hit) see
http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?98


Ray Ubinger (discoverer of this Reaction Shot, in 2004)
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